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Those Who Do Not Remember the Past…

April 8th, 2007 · 94 Comments · Britain, Christianity, Culture, Education, Europe, Judaism, Politics, Religion, The Middle East

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…are con­demned to repeat it:

Teach­ers are drop­ping con­tro­ver­sial sub­jects such as the Holo­caust and the Cru­sades from his­tory lessons because they do not want to cause offence to chil­dren from cer­tain races or reli­gions, a report claims.

The Cru­sades is indeed a com­plex and volatile sub­ject. But the Holo­caust? C’mon. That was one of the few times in his­tory where the issue was black-and-white.

The only peo­ple who would be offended at the teach­ing of the Holo­caust are those who are one or both of the fol­low­ing: an anti-Semite or a Holo­caust denier. Frankly, I don’t give a damn if a per­son in one of those two groups is offended. And nei­ther should any­one else.

One of the pri­mary pur­poses of his­tory is to learn from our mis­takes so human­ity does not repeat them. That is why it is cru­cial to teach about the Holo­caust, the Armen­ian geno­cide, Rwanda, Dar­fur, slav­ery, and a host of other travesties.

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  • Katherine

    The only thing i know is that as long as racism is exis­tent, mon­strosi­ties like this are doomed to hap­pen again. that’s just the way it is, and if peo­ple stop teach­ing them, it makes the chances even higher.  

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  • Millie

    Finally peo­ple with some com­mon sense.
    It’s said to think that the Holo­caust could hap­pen all over again. What lovri said was com­pletly true! As said as it is it did happen.

    Also does any­body else see the resem­b­lence between Bush and Hitler???  

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  • gassay

    Aprox­i­mately 6 mil­lion Jews were killed and 5 mil­lion oth­ers (non-Jews)  

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  • Deltaco DT

    Im 13 from Nevada and right now im writ­ing a paper for my uncles his­tory class about the laws agianst the jews and the events lead­ing up to it and doing all the research ive done so far it sad­dens me to see how some peo­ple still look up to Hitler and how they hate jews because he did i think its very wrong for them to i dont know any­one that is jew­ish because my aunt doesnt like them  

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  • Madeline

    Ok well for one thing any­one who believes that what Hitler did was ok is crazy!!! He MURDERED over 40,000,000 Jews to rid the Earth of the “unclean”. He should’ve killed him­self. Talk about UNCLEAN! I agree by the way with Jenna… the United States began with all kinds of dif­fer­ent peo­ple. We would not have sur­vived in the begin­ning when Colum­bus if it had not been for the Indi­ans. To say that our nation would be so much bet­ter with­out any other race other than whites is bogus…its what makes us who we are.  

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  • Andrew Zielsdorf

    I think that all the peo­ple who write in should use proper gram­mar. Almost every one of the com­ments I’ve read is either mis­spelled or gram­mat­i­cally incor­rect. I guess that says alot about white superiority.

    I under­stand that many peo­ple are writ­ing about some­thing emo­tional, but God, it makes it hard to read when a knuck­le­head tries to say some­thing.  

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  • Mohtasham Salem

    all of them is ridicolous.it is lying.it is no fact.nazi is good.jewish is the same of donckey.muslim is good human.death to israil.  

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  • CC Toronto

    I com­pletely agree with you 100%. It is ridicu­lous that we are not taught these things in school. I am a 9th grade stu­dent in Toronto and i am tired of learn­ing about the same cana­dien his­tory year after year, after year. Those taboo top­ics may be a lit­tle risque but every­one should know what hap­pened and why. Im writ­ing a paper on the con­cen­tra­tion camps for eng­lish class (not his­tory) because we are read­ing Anne Frank and I dont no much because we havent been taught any of it in his­tory class. It is inter­est­ing to hear this from some­one else because i have thought so for a long time.  

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  • shawnique mcmillian

    yea i agree 1000000% only cause this­world is going crazy and this ger­a­tion needs to learn and see what hap­pend in our history.…so the schools need to hop on teach­ing us betta and more on our history.….….soooo.…..get wit it.….….  

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  • amy

    what hitler did was wrong. the holo­caust must be taught so we don’t make the same mis­takes. we can learn from the past that what i believe. even if u are mus­lim or any other nation­al­ity or believe in a dif­fer­ent reli­gion. This event affected the whole world all together  

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  • Hans

    Okay, let’s pres­sume that holo­caust has ever hap­pened. The Jews were suf­fered from it. But how come the Jews that has ever suf­fered much pain in the past can do the same thing to other nations when they gets strong?

    U see, the Jews now has a coun­try, the Israel. It’s now one of the strongest coun­tries in the Mid­dle East. The only coun­try in the region has a nuclear reac­tor. U know how they got the coun­try? In 1948, they expelled the Pales­tini­ans from their land, blew their houses and kill the men. They argued: Hey, this is my land, The Promised Land. Get out of here!! I don’t know where you will go. Just go.

    I have seen many bru­tal actions done by the Israelis to the Pales­tini­ans from the inter­net. U don’t believe me? Open the YouTube site! I have seen a group of Israelis sol­diers held a man arm and hit a rock on it, over and over. I have seen an Israeli sol­dier shot a Pales­tin­ian from very close dis­tance, while the vic­tim was hand­cuffed and eye-blinded with a scarf. I have seen the Israelis build a wall stronger than The Berlin Wall inside the Pales­tin­ian ter­ri­tory. I have seen an Israeli attack heli­copter shot to a crowd made many peo­ple died and wounded. Have you ever heard that an Israel war­ship shot to a beach full of Pales­tini­ans? Well, I have!

    But why when the Pales­tini­ans fought back, the whole world say that they’re ter­ror­ists. When they hit a Merkava tank with a rock, the tank shot its machine guns. When the Israeli sol­diers enter the Pales­tin­ian ter­ri­tory dur­ing “an oper­a­tion”, they destroy every­thing they sus­pect, includ­ing civil­ian houses, schools, even hospitals.

    C’mon, peo­ple! The Israelis has taken their land. They got rid of the Pales­tini­ans. They tor­ture the Pales­tini­ans every sin­gle day.

    I think peo­ple must be objec­tive to see the Pales­tini­ans and the Israelis. My advice to Israel is: don’t let other nations think that you are so much alike with the Ger­many and Hitler dur­ing the WW II. You have suf­fered the pain, why do you make other peo­ple feels the same pain?  

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  • sniper

    The fact is that some pic­tures on the Inter­net about the Holo­caust fab­ri­cated some of the other crimes of the Holo­caust is not

    See also played by the Jews now they do not dis­agree about Hitler in any­thing but are harsher than you you see what you are doing to chil­dren and the elderly, women and men in Palestine

    What hap­pened to the Jews is a mea­sure of the Lord  

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  • Ev

    Do you all have any abstrac­tion of Holo­caust and Auschwitz?! No!! You are just stu­pid Amer­i­cans whose don’t really know where does Poland reside!!!
    Did it touched your coun­try?! Did it touched your fam­i­lies?! NO!!! So, please, don;t talk about things that you have no idea!!!!!!!  

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  • Damo

    this web­site is shit and can suck my dick. every­one else should agree because im bored any­one wanna go me ill take ya on. FAGGOT  

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  • Damo

    and that hans dude is gay coz hes a jew  

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  • Unathi

    Up until a few days ago, i had never both­ered myself with the hap­pen­ings of the holo­caust (blame it on my igno­rance) but only vaguely knew that Hitler was infact respon­si­ble for the killings of many jews. The num­bers and other eth­nic and social groups was highly underestimated.

    I have recently come across “The diary of a young girl” by Anne Frank and took it upon myself to edu­cate myself of the actual inci­dents that occured. I am hor­ri­fied and dis­gusted that other human beings could have inflicted that much pain on oth­ers and am espe­cially hor­ri­fied of the “exper­i­ments” they car­ried out on chil­dren and infants. Now, I realise that I have no inkling of what is going on up there between the Israeli and the Pales­tini­ans but I do know that God is watch­ing our actions and is prob­a­bly mor­ti­fied of our actions. What exactly are these peo­ple fight­ing for or about?

    But com­ing from a coun­try of the his­tory that we’ve over­come, South Africa, I do some­what under­stand the resent­ment and anger man­i­fest­ing in these coun­tries. For one, I am black and to top it all, I am female. I have come a long way from the times when my grandma was tor­tured to death for being those things. I do under­stand that racism still exists in South Africa but I will not be defined and reduced to live in fear of being seen as a “dirty” race because of my colour and gender.

    I feel, Ger­mans are in gen­eral are a very sick nation and so only empathise with those that were born into it with­out those views. Afrikaaner came from there and so you under­stand my theories!!

    Peace and LOVE!!  

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  • Jasmine

    I think its really imma­ture and fool­ish for some peo­ple to get offended ov’r some­one talkin about some­thing so sad and devis­tat­ing such as the Holo­caust. i believe that they should embrace oth­ers thoughts on the holo­ca­sut and how the jews were treated and hoew many lives were tooken and just sim­ply com­ment on what oth­ers think. i know this girl that used to be upset and cry­ing in his­tory class when our teacher would talk about the Holo­caust and she would have to be excused from class and she wouldn’t be upset @ the fact that we were talkin about, she was in actu­ally cuz that was one of my best friends, she knew she has a great great great(possibly another great) uncle that did and suf­fered dur­ing that and it just hurt her kow. We still talk now and like she wasn’tas upset as last time. but still i do under­stand where come from about being upset about the holo­caust cuz I had and aunt that died in the 9–11 and it doesn’t hurt that much as it used to but it still hurts regard­less.  

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  • Gina

    Okay, all you guys are get­ting agres­sive about this and miss­ing the main focal point.
    But on a quick side note, its not ashlie’s fault she’s stu­pid, the wire in her head that con­nects her brain to her mouth..well, isn’t con­nected. And the per­son that said Hitler was mak­ing a ‘bet­ter place for blondes’..okay, what the f*** is that sup­posed to mean? To my knowl­edge (and I’ve had enough unin­tel­li­gent con­ver­sa­tions to know) blondes are about as dumb as they come. So if Hitler wanted a world of blondes…we’d be screwed.

    Any­who, back onto sub­ject. The rea­son this pic­ture was posted wasn’t to get every­one all riled up about the holo­caust. Its to REMEMBER. All the kids nowa­days don’t know crap about the holo­caust or the JFK assas­i­na­tion, or MLKjr assas­i­na­tion. All the kids nowa­days care about is their shoes and their purses and what brand their clothes are and make up, and all that other crap. The kids now are self­ish, self-centered, spoiled and incon­sid­er­ate and care noth­ing for the lives of other peo­ple, races, you name it, and what they went through.

    And for the record, I’m not racist at all but I need to say this cuz its start­ing to get on my nerves. All you black peo­ple out there that are start­ing in with your ‘you owe me, your ances­tors did this and that to my ances­tors so you owe me’ crap needs to stop! Lis­ten, I don’t owe you noth­ing, my grand­pap do owe you noth­ing, my grandpap’s grand­pap don’t owe you noth­ing. I’m from the north, we freed your asses. Also, you guys need to stop using the ‘N’ word cuz I don’t think your ‘ances­tors’ would appre­ci­ate it. They all fought hard to get rid of that name, to them it was con­de­scend­ing and you guys are using it like it means noth­ing.  

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  • Rachel

    Okay, EV, lis­ten up. The holo­caust might not have been in OUR coun­try, but it touched us none the less because some of the jew­ish that sur­vived are our rel­a­tives and some are still alive and kick­ing, thank you very much! So your the one who need to shut up because you have no idea what your talk­ing about!  

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  • Ev

    Rachel why should I shut up?! Because I think ppl here have no idea what Holo­caus was???? Because I can’t agree when they say it was right what Hitler did????
    So don’t piss me off!!!!!!!  

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  • Ev

    Oh, and if you have ANY idea of Holo­caust you won’t have writ­ten so many bull­shits!!!!  

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  • Jay

    The one thing that annoys me about this dis­cus­sion is some people’s arro­gance with regard to for­eign opin­ion. I am a South African. I grew up in Ger­many and in Israel over a period of 2 and 3 years respec­tively. I now teach in a typ­i­cal East Lon­don school with a major­ity Mus­lim intake.
    It is true that sen­si­tive issues like the Holo­caust needs to be approached very care­fully, but it has to be taught, since it is true that we should learn from our past.
    It is also true that WWII touched many nations cit­i­zens lives, not only the “Jews”. Oth­ers were per­se­cuted as well! So when I read a state­ment like, “You Amer­i­cans, and it didn’t affect you etc etc.” I just plain get angry! A lot of nations lost the lives of sol­diers in the war, fight­ing which led to the free­dom of many still impris­oned in con­cen­tra­tion camps. So have a lit­tle respect!
    Hav­ing lived in Israel, I’ve come to see that the issue with regards to Pales­tine is very dif­fi­cult! I agree that they should have a home­land, just as I agree with the exis­tence of Israel. A com­pro­mise will need to be reached for both to co-exist, or the fight­ing will never cease! FACT!
    One thing I want to make clear is that, as a Chris­t­ian, I can­not agree with fight­ing and vio­lence. I don’t accept any form of ter­ror­ism, or of an orga­ni­za­tion which vows to end the exis­tence of Israel. Sui­cide bomb­ings will always show me the BAD side of the Mus­lim reli­gion. A lot of Mus­lims say it is not part of their reli­gion but abuse of it. Yet, I’ve never seen a clear and loud resis­tance by peacelov­ing Mus­lims towards these acts, rather a SILENT accep­tance and will for it!!! Until I see this hap­pen, I will not get actively involved in help­ing the Pales­tin­ian cause! It’s time to speak up and con­demn these kind of acts!  

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  • Ev

    you know what… I’m sick with your posts. I’m going to delete this web and don’t read your bull­shits.
    ŻEGNAM.  

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  • Amberley

    I am a 11th grade stu­dent in Geor­gia. We have been taught this sub­ject in classes sev­eral times. I agree that chil­dren and even adults should be taught about the worlds his­tory. i think that the peo­ple that are offended by any sub­ject of his­tory are com­pletely self­ish. If these mile­stones had not hap­pened they would still be suf­fer­ing. For those exact hap­pen­ings, they are now treated equally. i think peo­ple need to stop being fool­ish and relize the his­tory.  

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  • keka

    ok first of all Unathi yu got no rite sayin Ger­mans are in gen­eral are a very sick nation and so only empathise with those that were born into it with­out those views. dat iz not rite bkuz 2 tell yu da truth ma dad iz black n ma mom iz ger­man and i under­stand yu r black 2 so yu nyd 2 shut da fuk up wit yo stupit­ness not all ger­manz are the same wen it comez 2 hitlers way and the hole sit­u­a­tion wit da hola­caust.…! stop critazis­ing ger­mans and blacks and can i juz sai the ppl who look up 2 hitler and dis­lies whites or blacks or jews CAN ALL GO @ HELL KUZ YU ARE ALL SICK!!!!  

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  • Blain Hacker

    Well, I am not sure if the so called Holo­caust actu­ally hap­pened; but I do arguably believe that Jews deserve worse that Holo­caust and I would like to see more Holo­causts in the near future. The Cursed Peo­ple Jews sim­ply do not deserve to live decently.  

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  • Jessica Bailey

    There’s a heaven and hell and to what was done to them by whomever will not see the light of god in the end..  

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  • randalljones

    The coun­try with the great­est num­ber of killings and rapes is the Congo. But you won’t you read about it in text­books and when the media talks about it, they blame it on trib­al­ism. The United States, Israel, and Europe ben­e­fit from the dia­monds and other nat­ural resources , as well as from the sale of weapons and use of slave labor; this why there is not too many peo­ple talk­ing about the geno­cide of the Congo.  

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  • kafir

    israel is the first coun­try to install the Kim­ber­ley Process against the busi­ness of blood dia­mons, ran­dall.  

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  • amira

    you have some really stu­pid ass peo­ple com­ment­ing your blog.

    how did you filthy white suprema­cists, who prob­a­bly live in your moth­ers’ base­ments, even find this page?

    the var­i­ous anti-semites in the world can be found in the com­ments for this entry; from your typ­i­cal white nation­al­ist to the rad­i­cal islamist to the bleed­ing heart free-palestine left­ist to the bible thump­ing fun­da­men­tal­ist. a very mot­ley crew.  

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  • randalljones

    kafir,

    With the all the vio­lence still going on in the Congo, we can see how well the Kim­berly Process is working.

    Its not just Dia­monds, there is also Coltan that is used in cell­phones and other elec­tron­ics that is being exploited by West­ern­ers. As I have men­tioned before, there is also the sale of weapons, that helps to per­pet­u­ate the vio­lence.  

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  • Ashbash

    This is absolout­ley ridicu­lous! Some peo­ple are act­ing like this wasnt even a big deal? This is a cru­cial period of time where mil­lions of peo­ple were bru­tally slaugh­tered because one man decided he wanted only a cer­tain type of per­son to be able to live on this world. Hitler destroyed mil­lions of fam­ilys and wreck­lessly mur­dered peo­ple with friends, fam­i­lies, hus­bands, and wives. Does it seem fair to be extem­i­nated from the Earth just because you look or like or act dif­fer­ently from every­one around you? I think trhat by itself is and absurd require­ment to make of every per­son liv­ing right now. It is so upset­ing to see the mil­lions of chil­dren alone mur­dered or shoved into gas cham­bers to suf­fo­cate. Although some peo­ple want to believe it wasnt as bru­tal and seri­ous as it sounds, but in all hon­estly it truth­fully was! This inci­dent NEEDS to have a big­ger impact oin peo­ple one way or another because it was an awful and hor­rid time period we all went through.  

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  • gsdugfkhgf

    umm in school and i learned noth­ing because i didn’t read it. i need to do a project on the cru­sades and this is just, as those snotty brit­tish peo­ple would say, ridicu­lous. well tata, pip pip, chee­rio! and good-bye to all you snotty tea sip­ping brits!

    TIMMY!!!  

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  • gsdugfkhgf

    yaaa…umm i still didnt learn any­thing.. STUPID BRITS!  

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  • maxim

    Shock­ing! The orig­i­nal arti­cle was posted almost two years ago and the con­ver­sa­tion had not moved on at all. It has also proved to be com­pletely unfounded — the Holo­caust has always, and will con­tinue to be taught in British schools.  

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  • ali h

    The more we know about the past the bet­ter pre­pared we are for the future…” I think this quote fully explains why we should learn about the Holo­caust. Another rea­son is to honor those six mil­lion inno­cent peo­ple who were mer­ci­lessly slaugh­tered.  

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  • Elisheva

    Being that I am Jew­ish, I have noticed that only once has the school I attend in Min­nesota men­tion the Holo­caust. My Eng­lish teacher in grade had a sort of fas­ci­na­tion with it…
    What hurt me was that we had to do a project on it, and a boy in my class wrote an entire essay on how it all never hap­pened. I cried dur­ing class, it was ter­ri­ble.
    I think peo­ple should def­i­nitely be more aware of the non-Jews that were killed as well. They’re men­tioned, but peo­ple like gays, men­tally retarded, gyp­sies, etc… are all mostly for­got­ten.  

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  • Michelle

    You know what i wonder?

    Why do some peo­ple think it was only the Jews???????????
    i mean seri­ously there was jehovah’s wit­nesses, homo­sex­u­als, black peo­ple, and a LOT of other reli­gions!  

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  • enrique manrufo

    man thiz is bad for the people!!!peace
    sil­ince and i love ma boo jes­sica  

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  • Kelli B

    First blog I have ever responded to. Totally worth it. The debate sick­ens me, man’s inhu­man­ity to man sick­ens me.  

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  • ariel kapper

    Ash­lie, Did you real­ize that Hitler also killed whites to? You are one of the dumb­est peo­ple i have ever seen to think that are coun­try would be much cleaner if it was only whites! other eth­nic­i­ties helped develop our coun­try just as much as any white per­son… Mar­tin Luther King?! ever heard of him before? How would the world be if we didn’t have other peo­ple around us? Racist Freak! wanna know some­thing? you just got ditched by a SOPHMORE in high school how does that feel?????
    love ariel  

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  • Sam Scott

    Thanks to every­one who has addressed the anti-Semitism in this thread. I don’t have time to do it myself!  

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  • ahmed elsaid

    i am moslem at firest i was think­ing that the ger­mans was good to do that but when i saw the pho­tos and read about the holo­coast i think that who made that is not human they are dev­ils and the god will not for­give them  

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