So I received an anti-Barack Obama chain e-mail today. Here’s the full e-mail, followed by my response. It was fun.
The chain e-mail:
I don’t think Obama is the antichrist, BUT, I don’t care if his skin color is white, black, brown, green, yellow, orange, purple or pink, color means nothing to me. Racial heritage means nothing to me. Whether you are a female canidate or a male canidate, means nothing to me. I don’t look at people that way, and neither should you! What matters is their character, their heart or what they believe in, and what their issues are. A plant can look pretty and have a beautiful flower on it, but if it stinks, it’s a weed.
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!! DO YOU REALLY WANT A PRESIDENT OF THIS COUNTRY WHO REFUSES TO PLEDGE HIS ALLEGIANCE TO IT? SOMEONE WHO REFUSES TO SING OUR NATIONAL ANTHEM AND SALUTE OUR FLAG? ARE YOU REALLY THAT DUMB? That should have been the first clue. And I’m not just Obama bashing, this applies to Hillary, John McCain or anyone else who runs for the presidency.
I truly cannot understand how any of our political parties or governments (local, state and federal) would even allow a non-loyal American to run for any office at any government level at all, period!
If we want to live in a blessed and prosperous nation, then we better do it Gods way! All blessings come from Him. And besides that, our country was founded and dedicated to God from the beginning of this great nation. But it has turned away from God, and look where we’re at now. Yes, it does matter. And if it doesn’t change it’ll get worse. And no politician, government, or anything else will be able to stop it. Only God. Because it’s His way.
Laura[start of prior chain e-mail]
Ken Blackwell — Columnist for the New York SunIt’s an amazing time to be alive in America . We’re in a year of firsts in this presidential election: the first viable woman candidate; the first viable African-American candidate; and, a candidate who is the first front-running freedom fighter over 70. The next president of America will be a first.
We won’t truly be in an election of firsts, however, until we judge every candidate by where they stand. We won’t arrive where we should be until we no longer talk about skin color or gender. Now that Barack Obama steps to the front of the Democratic field, we need to stop talking about his race, and start talking about his policies and his politics.
The reality is this: Though the Democrats will not have a nominee until August, unless Hillary Clinton drops out, Mr. Obama is now the frontrunner, and its time America takes a closer and deeper look at him. Some pundits are calling him the next John F. Kennedy. He’s not. He’s the next George McGovern. And it’s time people learned the facts.
Because the truth is that Mr. Obama is the single most liberal senator in the entire U.S. Senate. He is more liberal than Ted Kennedy, Bernie Sanders, or Mrs. Clinton. Never in my life have I seen a presidential frontrunner whose rhetoric is so far removed from his record. Walter Mondale promised to raise our taxes, and he lost. George McGovern promised military weakness, and he lost. Michael Dukakis promised a liberal domestic agenda, and he lost.
Yet Mr. Obama is promising all those things, and he’s not behind in the polls. Why? Because the press has dealt with him as if he were in a beauty pageant. Mr. Obama talks about getting past party, getting past red and blue, to lead the United States of America. But let’s look at the more defined strokes of who he is underneath this superficial “beauty.”
Start with national security, since the president’s most important duties are as commander-in-chief. Over the summer, Mr. Obama talked about invading Pakistan, a nation armed with nuclear weapons; meeting without preconditions with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who vows to destroy Israel and create another Holocaust; and Kim Jong II, who is murdering and starving his people, but emphasized that the nuclear option was off the table against terrorists — something no president has ever taken off the table since we created nuclear weapons in the 1940s. Even Democrats who have worked in national security condemned all of those remarks. Mr. Obama is a foreign-policy novice who would put our national security at risk.
Next, consider economic policy. For all its faults, our health care system is the strongest in the world. And free trade agreements, created by Bill Clinton as well as President Bush, have made more goods more affordable so that even people of modest means can live a life that no one imagined a generation ago. Yet Mr. Obama promises to raise taxes on “the rich.” How to fix Social Security? Raise taxes. How to fix Medicare? Raise taxes. Prescription drugs? Raise taxes. Free college? Raise taxes. Socialize medicine? Raise taxes. His solution to everything is to have government take it over. Big Brother on steroids, funded by your paycheck.
Finally, look at the social issues. Mr. Obama had the audacity to open a stadium rally by saying, “All praise and glory to God!” but says that Christian leaders speaking for life and marriage have “hijacked” — hijacked — Christianity. He is pro-partial birth abortion, and promises to appoint Supreme Court justices who will rule any restriction on it unconstitutional. He espouses the abortion views of Margaret Sanger, one of the early advocates of racial cleansing. His spiritual leaders endorse homosexual marriage, and he is moving in that direction. In Illinois , he refused to vote against a statewide ban — ban — on all handguns in the state. These are radical left, Hollywood , and San Francisco values, not Middle America values.
The real Mr. Obama is an easy target for the general election. Mrs. Clinton is a far tougher opponent. But Mr. Obama could win if people don’t start looking behind his veneer and flowery speeches. His vision of “bringing America together” means saying that those who disagree with his agenda for America are hijackers or warmongers. Uniting the country means adopting his liberal agenda and abandoning any conflicting beliefs.
But right now everyone is talking about how eloquent of a speaker he is and — yes — they’re talking about his race. Those should never be the factors on which we base our choice for president. Mr. Obama’s radical agenda sets him far outside the American mainstream, to the left of Mrs. Clinton.
It’s time to talk about the real Barack Obama. In an election of firsts, let’s first make sure we elect the person who is qualified to be our president in a nuclear age during a global civilizational war.
[start of prior chain e-mail]
According to The Book of Revelations the anti-christ is:
The anti-christ will be a man, in his 40s, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal.…the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace, and when he is in power, will destroy everything. Is this anti-christ,.….…..OBAMA??
I STRONGLY URGE each one of you to repost with this email as many times as you can! Each opportunity that you have to send it to a friend or media outlet…do it! If you think I am crazy,. I’m sorry but I refuse to take a chance on the “unknown” candidate.
And now, my response (which I sent to everyone who had also received the chain e-mail along with me):
Dear Laura,
Whoever you are, I hope you are having a good day. Personally, I’m having a great one now because your chain e-mail gave me quite a laugh. I needed that.
> WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!! DO YOU REALLY WANT A PRESIDENT OF THIS COUNTRY WHO REFUSES > TO PLEDGE HIS ALLEGIANCE TO IT?
Cite me one example where Obama has refused to cite the Pledge of Allegiance. Just one.
Oh, you’re probably thinking of that ONE photo where Obama didn’t have his hand over his heart ONE TIME while stating the Pledge of Allegiance. Oh, gee. What a travesty. Maybe he was tired from campaigning and a little absent-minded that day. Maybe his aides give him the wrong information about what was going to occur during his speech that day. Who knows. Besides, it’s not like he never puts his hand over his heart — it happened ONE TIME, and the right-wing spin machine is blowing it out of proportion to deflect attention from the real issues of the day.
> SOMEONE WHO REFUSES TO SING OUR NATIONAL ANTHEM
Again, cite one example where he refused to sing the national anthem. Just one.
> AND SALUTE OUR FLAG?
Obama never served in the military. Perhaps you weren’t aware of this, but civilians do not salute the flag. Only current and retired military personnel salute the flag. But, please, don’t let the facts stand in the way of a good rumor.
> I truly cannot understand how any of our political parties or governments (local, state and > federal) would even allow a non-loyal American to run for any office at any government level > at all, period!
Hey, Laura, Joseph McCarthy called — he wants his rhetoric back.
And now onto the New York Sun op-ed column you sent. This will be fun.
Dear Mr. Blackwell,
> George McGovern promised military weakness, and he lost.
Way to oversimplify, there. Nixon won because he pursued the so-called Southern Strategy through which the GOP would take away the southern states (and their electoral votes) from the Democratic Party.
> Michael Dukakis promised a liberal domestic agenda, and he lost.
Dukakis lost because he looked like a buffoon when he rode a tank. And no New Englander has successfully ran for president since JFK because more and more people have been moving south and west — where the votes are.
> Yet Mr. Obama is promising all those things, and he’s not behind in the polls. Why?
Um, because his opponent is a crazy old man who wants to continue the failed policies of President Bush?
> Over the summer, Mr. Obama talked about invading Pakistan
Wrong, wrong, wrong! Get your facts straight. Obama said the United States should send CIA and Special Forces operatives into the parts of Pakistan that are controlled by the Taliban and other Islamic radicals.
Really, do you NOT think that the first thing the United States did after 9/11 was to send military operatives into every Arab and Muslim country on the planet? We have had people in Pakistan for years.
> meeting without preconditions with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who vows to destroy Israel and > create another Holocaust
Yes, because talking to people to convince them to change is always a bad thing. International diplomacy is a mix of carrots and sticks. You can’t rely on just one of the two. Besides, the United States and Iran have had under-the-radar meetings already. It’s just not official.
And I’ll save the other people here some time: check out my blog for my comments on Ahmadinejad. In short, he’s all talk and no walk. And you might not know that Ahmadinejad has no control over foreign policy in Iran; the supreme leader, the Ayatollah, does. Ahmadinejad is just whipping up hysteria from the anti-Israel crowds before he runs for re-election soon.
And let me tell you something: I live in Israel right now. If Iran fires a couple of nuclear bombs here, I’ll be vaporized in about five minutes. I have to live with the consequences of American and Israeli policy on Iran — I’m not some chickenhawk Republican who lies to the American people, starts a war, and then leaves the West Wing to go play golf.
And I support Obama.
> For all its faults, our health care system is the strongest in the world.
Ha! Tell that to the 47 million Americans without insurance. Israel, where I live, is one of those Communist countries with an evil universal health care system. I can walk into any clinic, show them my I.D. card, and get quick treatment and a prescription without any fuss. No tests required by an insurer. No outrageous co-pays. Yes, I really hate it.
And taxes aren’t that much higher than in America.
> And free trade agreements, created by Bill Clinton as well as President Bush, have made more > goods more affordable so that even people of modest means can live a life that no one > imagined a generation ago. Yet Mr. Obama promises to raise taxes on “the rich.”
That’s a non sequitor. I don’t even understand your point. Free trade leads to… tax policy?
> How to fix Social Security? Raise taxes. How to fix Medicare? Raise taxes.
OK, genius. How would you fix Social Security and Medicare? Keep in mind that the present value of the future debt owed by the government equals roughly $43 trillon. You read that right: TRILLION. Something must be done, otherwise the United States will be bankrupt. That means raising revenue or cutting expenses. Pick one.
Oh, and I just saw another bit at the end of this chain e-mail:
> According to The Book of Revelations the anti-christ is:
> The anti-christ will be a man, in his 40s, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations > with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal.…the prophecy says that > people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace, and when he is in > power, will destroy everything. Is this anti-christ,.….…..OBAMA??
>
> I STRONGLY URGE each one of you to repost with this email as many times as you can! Each > opportunity that you have to send it to a friend or media outlet…do it! If you think I am > crazy,. I’m sorry but I refuse to take a chance on the “unknown” candidate.First of all, have you even read the Book of Revelations? There’s nothing in it about the age or religion of the so-called “Antichrist.”
Secondly, one cannot have Muslim descent. Islam, like Christianty, is a religion, not an ethnicity. (There are non-Arab Muslims and non-Muslim Arabs.) If your mother is a Christian, does that make you a Christian at birth automatically? Of course not.
Thirdly, if you actually believe in the Book of Revelations and that Obama is the Anti-Christ, then shouldn’t you be voting FOR him? After all, Jesus can’t come back until the Anti-Christ does his thing.
Have a nice evening, and thank you again for the laugh!
Samuel J. Scott
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Very well done! Thank you!
Not much else to add, other than Laura’s “America is God’s Country” shows her further disconnect from reality.
The separation of church & state, allows her to believe as she wishes, however if she mixes religion into the government, that right to believe as she wishes will be compromised & taken away instantly. But if she wants “God” to run this country, then screw “democracy” as it will no longer exist.
Oh Yeah and the other thing, as anyone defined “THE CRITERIA FOR BEING LOYAL TO THE USA” is? I’ve never seen a list, do they hand that out when one signs up by law at 18 for Selective Service? Then again that does not cover women, so how would all US Citizens get this list? I’m gonna go google it now, see if I can find it
Hans(Quote)
*He supports “Live” birth abortions
**He supports Needle Exchange Stations where drug users can exchange their dirty needles for clean ones with no questions asked, to help prevent AIDS/HIV and other diseases.
***Reports today from someone who was a democrat in the 60’s but woke up is reporting that just about everyone he used to consider a leftest, a Stalinist, a Marxist…socialist, etc. Are now in senior leadership positions on the Obama campaign.
****He says he will unite this country, red states and blues states, yet he is rated the #1 liberal in the U.S. Senate, where is his record of uniting Red states and Blue states? He has not supported one “conservative” bill that would benefit the people of this country, he may have voted with some republicans on some issues, but we all know every republican is not conservative…Anyway…
Great Post! ncarnes(Quote)
I’m with you, Samuel. I’m sick of the accusations that to be patriotic or democratic or a free “American” you must follow the propaganda of the right wing. There’s no freedom in that. It’s time for a free thinker to be in charge. We’ve had four years of rule by fear, run by oil interests, religious zealots, and wealthy corporations and their lobbyists. We’ve lost civil rights, the economy is in the toilet, we are despised around the world, our national debt is ridiculous, and we depend on a man who can’t even pronounce “nuclear” to to protect us from a nuclear conflict. I say it’s time to get our heads out of the sand, quit trying to bully ever country around the world, and look at ways to bring peace and understanding, even if it means talking face to face with people you don’t like. It’s the only way. I say bring on the Obama years, and watch some new ideas reshape what democracy should be in this country. Government without religion, taxation that doesn’t favor the select few, restoration of civil rights, energy policies that make sense for the future, foreign affairs that show understanding, diplomacy, and compromise for everyone’s sake, fiscal policies that make sense for America, not just for big corporations, attention to our place in the global community and not an attempt to always be the world leader in everything, and a policy of reducing weapons around the world instead of arming everyone to the teeth out of fear of our neighbors. Change is the right word. And it’s about time. imageguy(Quote)
I would also like to say to Hans…
Being loyal to this country, logically and ethically, would include respecting our Flag, the standard for our country; our pledge to that flag, as well as our National Anthem.
I don’t know how old you are, but I am not that old and I was taught that in school, then again they have become much more liberal in the most recent years. If you really need a list to validate this issue, you are pretty sad, I must say. I would say as well, anything that men have died for to preserve the foundations of this country. That’s just common sense, but then again, when has any Liberal used that when making a decision?
Someone running for President cannot blatantly disregard these issues and be considered serious. Only people who are wrapped up into a flashy show are willing to give him a pass, as you obviously are doing.
Finally, it may do you some justice to read the Constitution. There is no wording that ever says, “Separation of Church and State” — It does say that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.” -
This does not mean that religion has to be separated from Government, but that government cannot form a state religion or prevent anyone from worshiping the way they choose. So your assessment in your comment is inaccurate, wrong, and ignorant. Its no wonder you would be supporting a man that thinks there are 57 states, thinks that Memorial Day is representing “Fallen Soldiers, for which he sees many of in the crowd he was speaking to.” When it is in fact to honor fallen (dead) soldiers, so unless Obama can see dead people, it once again shows his ignorance of this country and his inability to lead it in any direction other than towards socialism, which is not American.
I could go on and on about Obama, as it seems I know more about him than you do, but I’ll leave you with that. ncarnes(Quote)
Oh dear Lord.… HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Sigh… why I never get those e-mails…
Purnima(Quote)
yeah, ncarnes? i think your whole attack of obama’s oration to the soldiers is a little, i dunno, desperate maybe? i mean really, aren’t you just attacking his semantics? so the guy misspoke. i don’t have to think real hard to recall a time when a conservative said the wrong word. or, in certain cases, invented ones. it’s cool, though. just have a potatoe and laugh about it. misterstone(Quote)
NCarnes,
you did not just go there did you? Next time you want to insult me and only bring pathetic gaffs to the table as your defense, don’t bother.
Yeah how old are you? You look from the picture like you are young and fit? Answer me this Mr. Patriotic, I support the flag…Are you in the military? Are you over in Iraq following the Idiot in Chief’s orders which are non-existant?
If you are in the military, then you can disregard the following, but as I am pretty certain you are not and just showing your intelligence through your ass and “talking points” you have been brainwashed to remember and spout without ever thinking about what you are saying, I would encourage you to take this test. I doubt you will “pass” and you’re nothing more than another chicken hawk like Bush, Cheney, Wolfowicz, etc., that never served a day in his life in combat, but will send 4100 brave american’s to their death, plus allow tens of thousands be seriously injured for a vendetta against the man that threatened to kill his daddy. Boo-hoo mother fucker,(Bush) get your ass over to Iraq and fight him like the man you claim to be!
Now as to this stupidity you claim. Are you completely stupid to think that if religion entered the government, all this that you quote would not disappear as “all that religion” that entered it would gain power and stop the rights of other religions to practice as they will because the government run by religion is not controlling them? Or is that ok because you come from a religion (probably Christianity) that considers themself the only true believers in God, therefore it is justified to force upon all others, either through conversion or the sword, your beliefs?
Next time you open you mouth please think first. Because as you have not thought first, and most likely your next stupid response will be something about needing to bomb Iran, it will only be obvious you haven’t a clue about what you are arguing for. The biggest issue we have with Iran is that they have allowed religion to infiltrate and take over their government and low & behold, no one has rights anymore. Wow rocket scientist, is that what you are looking for here with your brilliant deduction?
Wow, I can’t imagine why it is that Iraq is such a fucking disaster either. Could it be that to religious factions are fighting for control of the government, and because one “controls” it the other is hell bent on destroying the other? Yes, religion works so well in government, please no one remind me of why the pilgrims left England again, nor why the Irish and the English fought for hundreds of years. Nope, has nothing to do with religion in government and those “stupid” founding fathers never would have intended for religion to stay out of government because they were starting a new country with the basic fucking premise of getting away from a country where the government was run mainly by religion.
What do they teach kids in history anymore? The world is 4000 years old and flag pins are more important than honor of honest thought!
ps, my age is in the “quiz” have a good day “Yellow Ribbon” worshiper
@SJS
sorry about this tirade, but I’m not gonna let the brainwashed one here, act like he knows what he is talking about and insult me.
I did really like your post and rebuffs. Apparently, NCarnes believed everything he read in the original chain letter he received. Hans(Quote)
I had my laugh and it is just perfect to start the day. anrosh(Quote)
Hi
Since it is tagged with religion and not the politics; I would comment on its religious aspect only.
I think Paul was the seed of anti-Christ, as Paul gave teachings which were opposed to the teachings of Jesus.
Obama is not against Jesus so he cannot be an anti-Christ.
Others could happily disagree with me but with good reasons.
Kindly visit my blogsite for any peaceful comments and or peaceful discussion on interesting posts/pages there. You are welcome for your differing opinion if you so like.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim paarsurrey(Quote)
Paarsurrey,
Wordpress highlighted it on its Religion page; I would have thought they’d put it on the Politics page. But please feel free to comment on the political issues as well. Sam Scott(Quote)
@Hans…
First of all, you attempt to defend yourself with name calling and profanities does nothing to make for an intelligent conversation.
I’ll start with where you spent most of your time, religion. First of all, apparently you misunderstood me, as well as the constitution. I do not support the government having anything to do with establishing religion, but you cannot prevent government officials from practicing their faith or operating from a conviction based on their faith. I do not believe the government should tell you or me what we can and cannot believe, what we can and cannot practice as a religious preference. As far as my “religious” beliefs, I am a Christian, but I believe every man should be free to worship as they choose and to practice those beliefs as long as they are within the means of our laws (I.E. just because the Koran says that Christians should be converted, enslaved, or killed doesn’t mean that should be allowed in free worship).
You are wrong in your assessment of Christians, we do not believe we are the only ones who believe in God, we do believe that Jesus is the only path to Heaven, but we can debate that on another topic if you would like.
Now to my being brainwashed. I guess this is the best defense you can come up with for your candidate. All conservatives are brainwashed. Good one. Once again that puts us one step closer to facts and solid information about the candidates. I guess you sat around one day and formed all of your beliefs about how the government should be run, no one influenced you…you are a self made man, right? Sure, I have had people influence and challenge my thinking, but I have reached a point in my life where I have to decide for myself what I accept and what I do not accept. I side with conservatism, but apparently you think that is a blank check of support for President Bush, that shows that you have flown off the handle without knowing who you are talking to or knowing what you are talking about. I respect my President and will not be found bashing him as many of you do, that just shows immaturity and is ridiculous, mature adults should be able to act like adults, not like pre-teens. But hey, apparently name calling is your thing.
I have disagreed with Bush on many things, and I find it funny that a liberal would hate and dislike the most liberal republican President that we have had in a long time. Sure I support him in several areas, but I do not approve of all of his views and stances such as, his immigration policy, his energy policy, his recent approval of the stimulus package, and on and on and on. So once again you are incorrect and wrong.
I do support most of our foreign policy stances. I am anti-big government and think that they have overstepped their bounds on a lot of domestic issues, but for the ones that have caught terrorist that you will never know of, I cannot complain. However, I support our troops in Iraq and no, I am not in the military, but I live in a city that has a military base that trains pretty much all of the communications for the army, I know a ton of soldiers, my cousin has served two tours of duty, my best friends has served two tours of duty, I have another friend who’s office was shot up by a 50 cal. machine gun, he was hit with shrapnel and chose to stay. I don’t know if you are in the military, but if you are, you are seriously the minority of all those I know and have talked to about “Iraq” who does not support what we are doing over there. Everyone of the people I know who have served in Iraq said they would go back or were happy to go back, but you want to talk about “talking points” please bring that up when you quit using liberal media outlets such as MSNBC and CNN’s talking points, because that’s apparently where you are getting your information from, not from the boots on the ground. If you are a soldier, thank you for your service, but apparently your brothers in the service are not seeing it your way.
But truly Hans you are not concerned with anyone’s political view, you apparently have an issue with religion, so why am I wasting my time? In your response, you did nothing to show that your candidate is worthy to be President, you just knick picked at my comment and ranted your venom for religion. If you have a problem with religion, then you should have a huge issue with Obama’s church problems as well as his pastor problems on top of his association problems (Frakhan & William Ayers and others) Sure the wording about the states is more funny than serious, but when you get into his gaff about Memorial day, Iran, and other issues, you cannot present a compelling argument that he is qualified to be President. You want to rant about Bush’s foreign policy, yet Obama will pull our troops out with disregard to the countries that will devour it as well as just a week ago, he said Iran did not pose a serious threat…a day later he says I know Iran has been a serious threat for a long time. As far as the flag pin is concerned, I really don’t care, but Obama gives this big speech about it and how he love this country and that shouldn’t be judged based on a pin, and what does he do the next week? He starts wearing a flag pin. So why would he do that if he, as a leader, truly believed what he said. He made it a bigger issue with that move, but to me it is so minimal compared to his other lack of experience and qualifications on top of his socialistic and liberal policies that will only hurt this country both domestically and internationally. Change we can believe in…yeah…from the good things that this country was founded upon to the things that have made European countries horrible. So, when you want to reply, how about do it with a level of intelligence and honesty about your own candidate rather than using sharp words to try and look wiser than you are.
I don’t know what you were taught in school, but our country was not founded because the founding father’s were sick of religion controlling the government. Ha! That is a good one…I am amazed at the ignorance. The Pilgrims fled to America to flee persecution from the government, because the government established its own church and religion, and demanded that everyone worship as they said, not as the people wished. Many of the founding father’s were believers, you cannot read any of our founding documents (which is quite obvious you have not) and not see a reverence and respect for God, as well, you cannot view our original laws and not see the influence from the Bible in them. Somehow you got a skewed picture of our Countries history and maybe that is why you would be so willing to hand the Presidency over to a novice who can give a good speech from a teleprompter. ncarnes(Quote)
Yawn, you start by calling me out using innuendo as your defense, “Someone running for President cannot blatantly disregard these issues and be considered serious. Only people who are wrapped up into a flashy show are willing to give him a pass, as you obviously are doing.” then you expect some respect in return?
“Many of the founding father’s were believers,” What does this have to do with anything? Sure they were, what is your point? Bill Gates could be a Muslim, but that would not affect him being the richest person in the world or how he got there. Arnold S, could be an aethiest but it doesn’t affect him being the governor of California. So why do you promote religious promotion, which as all “men” are not perfect and commit sin, how can you believe they will not take the power they have and use their religious beliefs to influence everyone through the laws of the land?
Honestly, I am tired of arguing this, I’ll let a man of the cloth do it instead.
As to your friends in the military, yeah they go back, but you think it is because they want to go over to that hell hole when they are not told what they are doing there, they face being killed or permanently messed up for life, willingly? I don’t doubt they go, but for most it is not just to be in Iraq because the President asks them to protect the country, because we are not protecting the nation by being in Iraq. But rather, they are in Iraq to be with their “brothers in arm”, they are a team, they are returning to look out for their friends. “Army of One” & “No Marine Left Behind” ring a bell? Don’t tell me someone that has gone on 5 tours in Iraq is “happy” about it, unless they have a death wish, desire to kill people with no recourse or have no family ties & interest in being in their home town. Housing foreclosures are higher in military towns than in other non military towns.
you want to put in a digg at the end.. well here it is.…
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2kyXN4ZVQg&hl=en] Hans(Quote)
How the Obama Rumors Began « Samuel J. Scott // Jul 2, 2008 at 06:46
Great response…I would only point out that the picture where the wingnuts claim that Obama is refusing to put his hand on his heart was not during the Pledge of Allegiance, but during the playing of the national anthem, and it is NOT required or even completely customary to put one’s hand over one’s heart during it. Some do, some don’t. Evan(Quote)
Fear Itself « Samuel J. Scott // Dec 7, 2008 at 12:10