Comments on: Christian Persecution http://www.samueljscott.com/2009/12/24/christian-persecution/ Understanding politics from the left, right, and center Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:07:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Dan http://www.samueljscott.com/2009/12/24/christian-persecution/comment-page-1/#comment-1764 Dan Fri, 25 Dec 2009 04:57:06 +0000 http://samueljscott.com/?p=3190#comment-1764 Just kind of curious. I realize it's apropos of nothing with this particular post, but I was just curious. Generally speaking, security measures result in limited freedom, while measures to ensure freedom result in opening oneself up to a lack of security. I have never seen, heard, or read about a country that was both incredibly secure and incredibly free, at least in the modern world. Example: the US has attempted to implement security measures, and they have resulted in the limitation of personal freedoms. Israel seems to have followed the same roads. Thoughts? Just kind of curious. I realize it’s apropos of nothing with this particular post, but I was just curious. Generally speaking, security measures result in limited freedom, while measures to ensure freedom result in opening oneself up to a lack of security. I have never seen, heard, or read about a country that was both incredibly secure and incredibly free, at least in the modern world. Example: the US has attempted to implement security measures, and they have resulted in the limitation of personal freedoms. Israel seems to have followed the same roads. Thoughts?

]]> By: Sam Scott http://www.samueljscott.com/2009/12/24/christian-persecution/comment-page-1/#comment-1761 Sam Scott Thu, 24 Dec 2009 22:48:15 +0000 http://samueljscott.com/?p=3190#comment-1761 Dan, why? I'm not sure how to respond. Dan, why? I’m not sure how to respond.

]]> By: Dan http://www.samueljscott.com/2009/12/24/christian-persecution/comment-page-1/#comment-1754 Dan Thu, 24 Dec 2009 22:21:52 +0000 http://samueljscott.com/?p=3190#comment-1754 Sam, I have a question for you. Which is more important: freedom or security? Sam, I have a question for you. Which is more important: freedom or security?

]]> By: Jeff http://www.samueljscott.com/2009/12/24/christian-persecution/comment-page-1/#comment-1748 Jeff Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:00:32 +0000 http://samueljscott.com/?p=3190#comment-1748 NB: By "fluff," I simply meant that it was hardly news, and it wasn't opinion. I suppose "feature" might have been a better term. And, no, you've never "specifically" advocated "such detentions"; however, you've hardly come out strongly against them and other abuses by Israeli security forces. In fact, you generally say that the "ends justify the means" – that you're willing to give a broad grant of discretion to Israeli security forces. Of course, I don't believe that the ends do justify the means, and I think as much Israeli security policy is motivated by paranoia an hate as it is by pragmatism. So it goes. Thanks for the forum. NB: By “fluff,” I simply meant that it was hardly news, and it wasn’t opinion. I suppose “feature” might have been a better term. And, no, you’ve never “specifically” advocated “such detentions”; however, you’ve hardly come out strongly against them and other abuses by Israeli security forces. In fact, you generally say that the “ends justify the means” – that you’re willing to give a broad grant of discretion to Israeli security forces.

Of course, I don’t believe that the ends do justify the means, and I think as much Israeli security policy is motivated by paranoia an hate as it is by pragmatism.

So it goes. Thanks for the forum.

]]> By: Sam Scott http://www.samueljscott.com/2009/12/24/christian-persecution/comment-page-1/#comment-1747 Sam Scott Thu, 24 Dec 2009 14:42:01 +0000 http://samueljscott.com/?p=3190#comment-1747 First, I wouldn't say that it was a "fluff piece." It was a serious, well-written article on a discouraging trend. By the way, the author, Larry Derfner, is a liberal columnist who frequently deplores the treatment of Israeli Arabs and Palestinians, and his columns balance those, say, of Caroline Glick. And I've never argued specifically in favor of such detentions. I don't know if the Post as done so in its editorials, though I'm sure at least one columnist has supported that position. First, I wouldn’t say that it was a “fluff piece.” It was a serious, well-written article on a discouraging trend. By the way, the author, Larry Derfner, is a liberal columnist who frequently deplores the treatment of Israeli Arabs and Palestinians, and his columns balance those, say, of Caroline Glick.

And I’ve never argued specifically in favor of such detentions. I don’t know if the Post as done so in its editorials, though I’m sure at least one columnist has supported that position.

]]> By: Jeff http://www.samueljscott.com/2009/12/24/christian-persecution/comment-page-1/#comment-1745 Jeff Thu, 24 Dec 2009 14:36:22 +0000 http://samueljscott.com/?p=3190#comment-1745 Ironic: The Jerusalem Post doing a fluff piece on offensive behavior of Israelis towards European Christians. Yet, I wonder if they have or would report on the same behavior directed towards Arab Israelis. One might further note how you and the JPost find this behavior "disgusting" yet continue to argue that several-hour or days-long detentions of people simply based on their ethnicity (among several other infringements of basic human rights) is simply a "necessity" based on "security concerns." Ironic:

The Jerusalem Post doing a fluff piece on offensive behavior of Israelis towards European Christians. Yet, I wonder if they have or would report on the same behavior directed towards Arab Israelis.

One might further note how you and the JPost find this behavior “disgusting” yet continue to argue that several-hour or days-long detentions of people simply based on their ethnicity (among several other infringements of basic human rights) is simply a “necessity” based on “security concerns.”

]]> By: Jeff http://www.samueljscott.com/2009/12/24/christian-persecution/comment-page-1/#comment-1744 Jeff Thu, 24 Dec 2009 14:29:55 +0000 http://samueljscott.com/?p=3190#comment-1744 Works for me. Works for me.

]]> By: Sam Scott http://www.samueljscott.com/2009/12/24/christian-persecution/comment-page-1/#comment-1740 Sam Scott Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:17:47 +0000 http://samueljscott.com/?p=3190#comment-1740 By the way, can you or another reader tell me if you can select "like" or "dislike" at the bottom of each post? I have a plug-in that looks like this... 0 likes this post - 0 dislikes this post ... but I don't think it's working. By the way, can you or another reader tell me if you can select “like” or “dislike” at the bottom of each post? I have a plug-in that looks like this…

0 likes this post — 0 dislikes this post

… but I don’t think it’s working.

]]> By: Sam Scott http://www.samueljscott.com/2009/12/24/christian-persecution/comment-page-1/#comment-1739 Sam Scott Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:16:31 +0000 http://samueljscott.com/?p=3190#comment-1739 Ironic, how? Ironic, how?

]]> By: Jeff http://www.samueljscott.com/2009/12/24/christian-persecution/comment-page-1/#comment-1738 Jeff Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:09:48 +0000 http://samueljscott.com/?p=3190#comment-1738 How ironic. How ironic.

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