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January 18th, 2010 · 9 Comments · Business, Culture, Politics

Rajesh Setty believes that all else being equal in terms of abil­ity, nice guys will get fur­ther ahead in the busi­ness world than jerks. The rea­son: Peo­ple fur­ther in their careers will be more likely to men­tor those whom they like.

I am skep­ti­cal. Most bosses I have had since col­lege have been jerks. How did they get ahead?

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  • Jeff Guevin

    Who says they’re ahead? Sounds to me like a term in des­per­ate need of a def­i­n­i­tion.  (Quote)

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  • Mike

    Sam — haven’t all your expe­ri­ence been pri­mar­ily with the smaller end of the busi­ness spec­trum where the boss in many cases was or near enough the same as the owner? I think this could be a very dif­fer­ent envi­ron­ment than work­ing for a larger corporation.

    Also, the arti­cle does note that you need to be nice and demon­strate value. Value to your boss is what is going to get him recog­ni­tion as well or lessen his wor­ries in the work­place. Being nice means he wants to work with you on a daily basis. With­out one or the other and you will be stuck in the same place for a very long time pro­vid­ing value with­out get­ting rec­og­nized or being the use­less nice guy sit­ting in the cor­ner.  (Quote)

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  • Dan

    I think the key to hav­ing a suc­cess­ful rela­tion­ship with your boss is to find out what type of job/career would best fit YOU. If you have had prob­lems with your bosses in sev­eral dif­fer­ent areas, per­haps the prob­lem is not the bosses, if you know what I’m say­ing. First iden­tify what career is going to be a best-fit for your inter­ests, skills, and expe­ri­ences. Once you do so, you will enjoy and be more skill­ful at the work you do, which will make you hap­pier AND bet­ter at your job. If you are happy and good at what you do, you’ll be amazed at how well your rela­tion­ship with your man­agers improves.

    I know this from per­sonal expe­ri­ence. I worked for 3+ years in the bank­ing indus­try. I hated both of my bosses dur­ing that time. How­ever, I remain friends with one of them to this day, out­side of work. How is this pos­si­ble? I didn’t really hate the bosses — I HATED THE JOB! I met with a career coun­selor, and we deter­mined, through a series of meet­ings, con­ver­sa­tions, skill– and interest-tests, and the like, that the best fit for my inter­ests, skills, and expe­ri­ences would be in a social-service non-profit envi­ron­ment. I took a leap of faith, and quit my job at the bank; within a cou­ple of weeks, I was hired as an employee of a home­less shel­ter. I have been there 16 months (and count­ing!), and have never — NEVER — been hap­pier. Are my bosses per­fect? Of course not — they’re peo­ple, aren’t they? But does that bother me? No. Because I am happy with my career, and happy with who I am.

    So here is my advice: fig­ure out what YOU want, what will make YOU happy, and the work­place issues you have will seem to mag­i­cally dis­ap­pear. Do not focus on oth­ers; you can’t change them any­way. What you can change is what YOU do about it.  (Quote)

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  • Sam Scott

    Dan, if you read the post to which I linked, you’ll find that I had a string of bad luck with hor­ri­ble bosses.

    Still, I agree with your point. A sym­pa­thetic HR man­ager told be — while my man­ager was in the mid­dle of fir­ing me for BS rea­sons — that my per­son­al­ity was per­haps best suited towards a start-up or run­ning my own small busi­ness rather than towards cor­po­rate life. Three years later, I find that she was exactly right. My own con­sult­ing busi­ness has been going well so far — and I’m my own boss!  (Quote)

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  • Sam Scott

    Mike, you’re also cor­rect. I think that the closer one works towards an/the owner in a small busi­ness, the more the owner just views you as a tool to increase profit as much as possible.

    In cor­po­rate, middle-management, this is not the case. The man­ager is likely just a salaried shlub like you, so he is less, well, cold.  (Quote)

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  • Dan

    You see? All you have to do is fig­ure out who you are, and what suits you the best, and the rest has a ten­dency to fall in line. Not per­fectly, of course, and not eas­ily, but if you’re com­fort­able with who you are and what you’re doing, your job will be much, much bet­ter.  (Quote)

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  • Sam Scott

    True that. By the way, remind me to tell you about Street Sense in Chicago — it’s a street news­pa­per like Spare Change News in Boston for which I was editor-in-chief and exec­u­tive direc­tor for a few years. It might be use­ful to your non-profit, and it’s a decent way to get some jobs for home­less peo­ple rather than have them rely on char­ity. Talk to me offline about it.  (Quote)

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  • Dan

    We have a guest here who works for Street Sense! She was actu­ally the sub­ject of one of the pro­files in the recent Decem­ber issue. She is GREAT! The folks at the local Metra sta­tion have never seen any­thing like her. ;-) She’s a dynamo. In addi­tion to being a grand­mother, she is a recov­er­ing alco­holic and meth addict. She has been clean for 2 years, and is really try­ing to turn her life around. Her daugh­ter and son-in-law just fin­ished meth treat­ment them­selves. It’s pretty heart­warm­ing to see a suc­cess story. Every once in a while, we need a pos­i­tive out­come to keep us going. I think I’ll be crushed if she relapses. I cer­tainly hope not.  (Quote)

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  • Dan

    PS “True that”? Who are you, the Fresh Prince? ;-)   (Quote)

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